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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard just effort I cannot beat that

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that previously traduction it's a double

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whammy introduction I can't be there on

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scale and volume you can but I can match

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it on on emotion yes I am I'm

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overwhelmed I'm willing up I'm a

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wellspring of antigens well well well

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well well uh oh this 300th episode it's

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hen you Melina now I can i really got

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and that thank you to the crowd at the

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amazing meeting in Las Vegas the

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skeptics guide to the universe i was

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doing their option oh and i said right

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i'm going to use this opportunity and i

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commandeer the oak the crowd from de la

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land they did applause they did laughter

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and they'd boos oh sorry i can sell that

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stuff like the sound effects sound

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effects library I could this is episode

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three hundred of the skipper oh yeah so

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the twentieth of July 2014 which is

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equate to almost six years in a couple

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of weeks it'll be six years but yeah

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because of the 52 weeks of the year and

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all that shows up 300 so you've actually

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been really doing it pretty much every

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single week for starters though since we

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started yeah have you have you sought

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professional help I did before I started

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but didn't do me any doing it did not do

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really good but you know what i was as

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you know i was just at the amazing

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meeting in las vegas and the number of

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people could come up and find me and say

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thank you for doing the skeptic zone i

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listen to it when I'm jogging I listen

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to it when I'm doing the dishes or

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walking the dog or on the bus or on the

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train or this is really really nice

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robust performing some sort of community

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service I think we are having people

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company will be keeping people saying

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you know people listening to us right

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now on night shift how about night sure

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well I should workers you keep up the

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good work that's it quick justice keep

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listening it was no Stefan um as you

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know I go over to the states quite

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frequently and I brought you back a

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little present here we go look at that

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the Holy open anomaly cool these are

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called yeah good night 12 they're either

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called candy corn or corn candy hmm

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that's absolutely delicious you can't

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move you wanted to me didn't ya i tried

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this out album not

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now hooked on already no you wait upon

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the way they're pretty hard to find here

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but in the states they're everywhere hmm

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big up boom yum big around halloween

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fact if you google it now i see you've

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got your computer open know what will

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make sure we got it right see your corn

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candy or candy corn hmm okay go on candy

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listeners might have heard my phone just

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go beat therefore the message that says

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I'm getting live feeds from bridge

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skeptic camp alright which is happening

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right now is we're recording the centers

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are going to create more material for

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the three hundred and first episode or

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even though 300 o our reporter Joe

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alabaster's on the city's own they're

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doing it live right out well she's there

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she's going to be reporting doing

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interviews for the skeptics own okay and

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we're going to try and get them from

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hopefully I'll be altering incorporate

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skeptic zone it's great to have a

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reporter there okay so this is joe

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and we'd like to say on 300 episodes to

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you're almost a Time Lord because you

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will you're doing an introduction to a

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show yeah it hasn't even been produced

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yet been listening to it yes and they're

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going to be hearing stuff on the show

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yes that hasn't even been created yet

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but while they're listening to

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introducing and it's all happened

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already yes so what's your what's your

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question I'm sorry now the big news of

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course last year we had solar flare mmm

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skeptics own productions solar flare was

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a great lot of fun a lot um oh and again

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people wanted people at can one we're

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asking me what happens next I think what

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am i doing episode of do what is its

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what happened to the poor crew we gotta

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tear the universe a new universe we got

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ideas this year of course one of my over

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projects was the vaccination chronicles

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yes the documentary right project and I

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launched it live at ten on the big stage

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ah during part of my talk I look I

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lurched my lord she lurched forward and

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vaccination chronicles now my thanks to

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all the skeptics and listeners who a

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it was all standard definition mmm

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world's moved on its right so I began to

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work on this project and realize that my

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standard definition software just

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couldn't cut it go high definition is

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right just tell you why what's to eat

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everything else that's right I've got a

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lovely standard definition camera but

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that's all technology huh so I put out a

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plea to skeptic John listeners and

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within a week enough people had sent me

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my donations donations to specifically

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for this to for me to buy their software

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I need it Oh Fantas fantastic and all

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those people get a mention in the

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credits at the end of the vaccination

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chronicles look here's my plea is that

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my request if listeners have a blog or

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they can tweet please tweet this

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documentary I think it's very important

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all about people's stories about the

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or vaccinations and the horrors they saw

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the reality of it the reality is and you

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search for vaccination oh yeah this is

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the easiest thing to do in fact if you

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vaccination chronicles you get straight

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come up you look up straight away i'll

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course but if people can do that i would

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script but they must be manu aliens are

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lots of standings with needles but yeah

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but i don't think you'll get confused if

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understand certain Eastwood well just

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vaccination chronically notice I

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the sort of information in your video

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the better but anyway this is a it might

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that so coming up on this week's show of

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the Royal Institution of Australia it

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was a very popular segment if we've got

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marvelous cues and devices I think he

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can edit this introduction down now i

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must say that i had such good intentions

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interview lots of people I did I

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was so busy at the amazing meeting

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million-dollar challenge that's why you

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writing the formal report on the whole

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event that took hours and hours and

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hours of each day and when I wasn't

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own talk mainstage talk yeah I did an

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episode of the skeptics on the spot and

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I launched the vaccination chronicles oh

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goodness and then in how many days was

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that oh and you still found time to hang

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out of the bar and I still found down

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there gonna buy but I just didn't get as

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many interviews at camp that I really

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hope they would get but you know what

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that's just I'll have to fly the whole

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team out next year oh I think you have

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to have to go beyond that one you'll be

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on that one trip it's it but I reckon

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you know what why we go outside and eat

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skeptic zone before we get further into

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the show I must say a special thanks to

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possible over the years I must think all

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my reporters of course going right back

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six years but especially now it's time

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Dunlop dr. Rachel Dunlop who was with

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skeptic zone and dr. rachel has proven

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herself to be a major force for

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skeptical activism not only in Australia

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main art who's been with the show now

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many reports so many interviews and

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what we want is some more evidence

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hello this is Joe alabaster

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this is the afternoon after Brisbane

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skeptic app go to say we're all a little

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bit tired i'm here with ross stop to his

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president of brisbane skeptics society

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with Phil Kent who is the Secretary of

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Brisbane skeptics society and with

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Lauren Cochran who is the president of

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Canberra skeptics hello everyone I knew

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so all feeling a little bit tired

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admittedly after a fantastic long day

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yesterday it went really well I think do

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you know how many people we had come

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through the door for you had come

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through the door I think we got up to a

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hundred a long we just wrote the hundred

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fantastic and all I i think that the

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guys at Christmas skeptic society really

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deserve a massive round of applause from

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wherever you're listening to this

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podcast stand up and clap I don't care

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if you're on the bus but these guys they

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need to just be applauded it was really

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amazing um I wasn't quite sure what to

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expect this being my first skeptic amp

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but it ran just so smoothly every single

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talk frankly was both interesting and

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eloquent really engaging I found I was

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extremely impressed with the quality of

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all the speakers bearing in mind that a

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lot of them had never done that before

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if you know really gotta hand it to him

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to come up with something and present it

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so well yeah i was making of not having

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done it before I mean this was Brisbane

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skeptic society's first big event the

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skeptic camp and it came together I

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think incredibly well on the day how

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long were you guys working on this I

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think we've been mulling the idea over

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food what nearly two years or something

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yeah and it's really come together maybe

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four or six months ago that the ball

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really started rolling I mean

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essentially what we did is we be booked

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a venue and that gave us a deadline and

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after that it you know we announced we

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announce it to everybody and then we

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knew we had to get it done and yep

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countless selecting out countless

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skeptics in the pub meetings later and

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if you know brainstorming ideas and it

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all came together really

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she's anything yes you how long has this

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been skeptical society been going for

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because I understand that you've got a

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couple of groups up here now in Brisbane

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I think officially a month we're very

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very new the Brisbane skeptics society

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yeah it just seemed right for us didn't

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it to just sort of start out our own

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group and we've been doing it informal

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skeptics in the pub for least a couple

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of years and what not is that on that's

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the first Tuesday of every month mm-hm

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the player will at southbank me near the

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city we've also started a new one at

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chermside which is on the north side the

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third wednesday of every month know that

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excellent so two events per month at the

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moment and skeptic app yes we're hoping

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to do more more we have we have some

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plans on the on the horizon for more

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more best-kept achill content for the

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Brisbane community and and this is to

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augment as well the key skeptics you

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meet on the last monday of every month

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like where are they that the the red

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brick hotel opick yes they usually have

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a really interesting speaker and you

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tend to get speakers in already see us

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more an informal chat and at the moment

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we're we're much more informal about to

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sit around and just chinwag and the

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topics are amazingly varied not always

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skeptical but always interesting yeah

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for sure excellent talking about varied

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topics and that was the smoothest segue

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in the history of podcasting I'm sure um

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though 14 talks yesterday at Brisbane

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skepta camp and there's a fairly wide

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range of different topics covered we had

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swordsmanship we had the placebo effect

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we had why people believe non-scientific

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claims um we had chris stevenson talking

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about skeptical weight loss methods

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which i'm assuming don't involve taking

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census limb and we also had parenting

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skeptically and the lauren here

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presented that one yes now that was a

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definitely an interesting topic as

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said in my talk yesterday it's it's been

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three years since i first fell pregnant

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and just the last three years

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particularly it's just amazing how much

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crap parents are yet acted to it really

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is I mean I've also spoken about this

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and strangely enough Lauren and I

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managed to have barely any crossover and

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what we spoke about there's that much of

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it 20 minutes each and and we've got a

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lot more lined up as well we do we want

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to do an announcement I I think we can I

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mentioned yesterday at the end of our

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talk that might all yours me and all my

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multiple personality onstage no I Joe

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myself at ellison Gaylord Heidi

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Robertson cat steel and Shelley stockin

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are going to be writing a book called

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parenting skeptically or something

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similar we haven't started on a title

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yet but it's basically going to be

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having a look at all the pseudoscience

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and old wives tales surrounding

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pregnancy & parenting and hopefully

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giving new mums and dads a bit of a

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handy guide to evaluating dodgy claims

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and you know it's I think it's really

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really critical for people raising kids

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to be aware that there is so much dodgy

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claims and [\h__\h] up there that they

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need to be well yeah i agree i mean

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we've had discussions in the past about

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a lot of books you know along the lines

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of what to expect when you're expecting

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etc just there are some doggy things in

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there and there's a sort of the gold

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standard that's not looking at sort of

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alternative kind of ideas or anything

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but the mainstream books not necessarily

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advice you'd want to follow but there

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were so many great talks yesterday and

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it's all you know all credits for these

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guys for the fantastic curation that

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made him beforehand I just hadn't good

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to hear a couple of people like Loretta

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Marin and chris stevenson and of course

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have you know lots of public speaking

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experience particularly at these sort of

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skeptical and even atheists events and

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then even just to have you know new

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speakers like myself and Allison Allison

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gala yes you know

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from the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters sorry I was staring at an

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Ibis there are 0 vs we're sitting in a

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park here in the botanical gardens in

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Brisbane at the moment I was staring at

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an Ibis Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters um she gave an absolutely

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wonderful talk I'm going to admit here i

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teed up a little bit um she was

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discussing what it is what it's like for

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her living in an area with incredibly

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low vaccination rates and a lot of

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anti-vaccination sort of people in her

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community and the fact that her

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daughter's contracted whooping cough

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although they are immunized herd

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immunity being very low in the area they

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copped it she copped it and that

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experience when you're hearing that from

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somebody who's had at first hand is

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actually quite confronting she did a

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wonderful job and also made me laugh a

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couple of times which is always

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wonderful we also had on Heidi Wyatt who

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was discussing chiropractors and I

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wasn't quite aware of how much of a

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lifestyle kind of involvement is in

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chiropractic practice it was very

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surprising wasn't it and it was

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extremely interesting to get the inside

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scoop so to speak from someone on on the

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other side who actually has this very

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personal experience yeah you know with

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this kind of thing and it just shows you

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you know from her talk how these kind of

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alternative modalities they they lock

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you in you know by making it a large

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dollar I'm sure it's all part of the

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business plan that they have yes

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certainly and just hearing about that

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annual treatment package that they

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offered yes paying in advance for a

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year's worth of chiropractic treatment

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which meant you get sort of i think it

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was a weekly or bi-weekly adjustment and

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then as you go if something happens to

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you say you tripped down the stairs or

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something such you can go in and have

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that adjustment and they keep ya return

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to

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wasn't quite aware that it was that

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involved but Heidi was telling us this

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because her experience prior to I guess

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getting involved in well being skeptical

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of chiropractic ideas she was actually a

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chiropractor's assistant and I frankly

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really appreciate that people are

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willing to talk about things from their

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past that aren't necessarily things that

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sort of our skeptics where I know down

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with I guess I was very impressed that a

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lot of people there were sharing their

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sort of war stories I think of the sort

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of the previous life you know and yeah

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and then the other side or that sort of

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you know that the woo communicate

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community if you want to put it that way

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and it especially to a group of skeptics

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you to be able to admit that I think is

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very useful as a group to to understand

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those experiences because if we don't

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understand then we're never going to me

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out to fight effectively against it

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absolutely and also another thing I

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appreciated was on Loretta more on from

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the Friends of science in medicine was

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talking to us about friends of science

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in medicine and she mentioned a couple

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of times that not necessarily everybody

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who is not heard of medicine

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practitioner is either out to fool

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people or out to harm people are out to

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take their money and I think that that's

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incredibly important to keep in mind

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it's easy to view people as sort of have

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a very cynical outlook on some

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practitioners perhaps thinking that you

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know there are two common people or take

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their money etc but generally I think it

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might be handy to keep give people the

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benefit of the doubt and think okay

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we'll they've fallen for this to whether

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they have a responsibility to understand

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that it's not necessarily something

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that's evidence based or not is another

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story but generally people do tend to

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have good intentions I think I might

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just be a bit optimistic I imagine that

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customers or patients are not sure

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whether they refer to them as either um

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Warren would quite

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ants may feel quite obliged to keep

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going throughout the year because

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they've already paid for it and they're

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making more of an emotional investment

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in the treatment because of that so

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they're more likely to make another

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financial investment i'm not sure you're

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emotionally and financially invested in

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this enterprise mmm when it comes time

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to renew all it was also interesting

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Heidi was discussing um basically how

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she had a bit of a turn around and

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stopped believing in subluxation theory

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and started doubting the idea of

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chiropractic and I find this story is

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absolutely fascinating I because I spent

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a lot of time wondering how we can

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approach people talk to people and sort

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of very gently challenge their beliefs

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that aren't necessarily evidence-based

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without putting them off side I mean

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you're always going to polarize some

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people and push them away by suggesting

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that what they have invested in isn't

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necessarily real wood you know

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evidence-based but it was a very good

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portion Airy tale about almost how not

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to approach it I mean she was very

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specific in saying her husband I believe

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is the one who yet had been skeptical I

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think for the entirety of her

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involvement and she said if he had been

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confronting and a bit more aggressive

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about it she probably would have never

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got to the position she is today and it

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was through gentle sort of persistence

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really and you know I ever said this all

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the time don't he's planting the seed

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yeah and eventually it's bound to grow

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even if it's only in one in every ten

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people we talked to me yeah I found that

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valuable in John cooks talk how he was

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talking out that the ways that people

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can have science communicated to them in

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a what was the analogy he was using

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vitamins and his ideas on sticky you

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know sticky information estd science was

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I think very valuable to for the

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skeptics to take note on because he's

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very good at presenting information in a

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way which is very media friendly and

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is very general public friendly and we

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could definitely learn a few lessons

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from the way he's dealing with climate

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change denial in other aspects of things

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that were tackling and so I understand

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that the talks we've just been

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discussing here are they going to be

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available online for people to listen to

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a watch they're certainly going to be

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available through time we did our best

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to make good audio and video recordings

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of the event so that anyone who didn't

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attend can still benefit from the

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information that was presented and

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they'll be going out on bridge skeptic a

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morgue over time fantastic and is the

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facebook page still going to be

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operational all people can follow or

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there's Twitter as well oh definitely

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yeah yes we're definitely planning on a

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another event so watch the brisket

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decamp facebook page and prefer for more

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information thank you very much for

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joining me is oh it was a fantastic day

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yesterday it was a long day yesterday I

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wish it wasn't over but simultaneously I

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think I need to go and lie down for a

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bit now um Ross bill lon thank you thank

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hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this park

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yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

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unicorn there are no such things as

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unicorns silly yes there is no there

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isn't hey guys what are you arguing

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about tom thinks unicorns are real hey

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so are let's look this up in the

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skeptics dictionary the what how can we

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do this in this park there is the

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computer here you guys probably don't

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know about the skeptics dictionary app

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on the go here let me look up unicorns

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down cool Kenny prepare to be proven

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wrong it says here the Unicorn is a

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creature from fables aha actually I see

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now that someone just dumped their ice

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cream cone on that horse's head thanks

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constant that relates the circumference

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of the circle to its diameter but what's

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this number used for in the real world

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let's find out pi is found in many

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curves are involved but it is also used

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instance the construction of any curved

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surface requires engineers and

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architects to use PI in order to get the

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pieces to fit together but it is also

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used to calculate the structural

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strength of beams and columns power

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outputs of machinery and even

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in astronomy pi has been used for

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hundreds of years to calculate orbits

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solar system and beyond closer to home

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pi is essential for navigation and

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global positioning because our planet is

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spherical and moves in a circular orbit

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pi is even used in some fields to

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calculate probability statistical

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distributions are normally described by

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you guessed it curves and pi can be used

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to create virtual simulations and

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finally if you're tuning into a whiz

814
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this week by Wi-Fi or radio the waves

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00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:39,310
carrying our signal also have a

816
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,650
fundamental relationship with pine and

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now for fast facts about PI of the

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00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:49,750
mathematical kind pi is also a very

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00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:51,400
special number because its decimal

820
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:53,680
representation never descends into a

821
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:55,720
repeating pattern it just goes on

822
00:35:02,040 --> 00:34:59,050
forever today pi is being calculated to

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00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:02,050
over 10 trillion digits pies both an

824
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:03,790
irrational and transcendental number

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00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:06,010
meaning no two numbers can be multiplied

826
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,250
together to make pie 41 digits of pi is

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enough to calculate the circumference of

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visible universe to a margin of error

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00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:16,180
equal to the width of a proton that's it

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today's news duffel news helps you

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00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:36,560
you

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00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:40,450
the vaccination chronicles if only

850
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:43,550
featuring interviews with Verna Morris

851
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:47,990
Maureen Chuck ken MacLeod Monica Seville

852
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:51,330
dr. richard gordon dr. carl prison is

853
00:37:09,220 --> 00:36:56,220
key John boondock Peter Budaj and Lauren

854
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:12,820
hello I'm Richard Saunders welcome to

855
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:15,170
the vaccination Chronicles in this video

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00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:16,700
I'd like to tell you about a time in our

857
00:37:22,270 --> 00:37:19,430
history not so long ago when parents

858
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,280
live with the very real fear that at any

859
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:24,560
time their children could succumb to the

860
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:27,130
deadly effects of infectious diseases

861
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:29,270
I'd like to tell you what it was like

862
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:32,300
back then but I really can't I wasn't

863
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:35,000
there i was born after the widespread

864
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:36,530
introduction of vaccinations for

865
00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:38,600
diseases such as pertussis which is

866
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:40,940
whooping cough diphtheria rubella

867
00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:43,869
tuberculosis and infantile paralysis

868
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:48,859
polio mellitus polio so we need to hear

869
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:51,740
from people who were there people who

870
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:53,960
even lost members of their family and

871
00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:56,390
not just babies and children to diseases

872
00:38:01,210 --> 00:37:59,270
we hardly hear about today we'll also

873
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:01,220
hear from some others about some of the

874
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:03,650
fears and misconceptions both real and

875
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:06,410
invented about modern vaccination that

876
00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:08,330
seems as there's no end of bad

877
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:10,280
information out there especially on the

878
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:14,180
internet but now let's hear from some

879
00:38:22,789 --> 00:38:16,609
people who have seen firsthand the

880
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:27,529
my mother died of TB at the age of 19

881
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:31,650
and I was 15 months old I never ever

882
00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:35,130
newer never knew my mother and her two

883
00:38:44,029 --> 00:38:38,759
brothers in periods varying periods

884
00:38:47,689 --> 00:38:44,039
after that died of the same disease they

885
00:38:51,469 --> 00:38:47,699
I think what one was up to about 10 or

886
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:51,479
11 years after that but everybody had

887
00:39:01,099 --> 00:38:56,099
just about you know it was it was just

888
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:01,109
like measles was too late to to add to

889
00:39:09,469 --> 00:39:06,660
the next generation and um but they did

890
00:39:12,319 --> 00:39:09,479
anyway once you get rid of these things

891
00:39:15,169 --> 00:39:12,329
you don't want to get them back you want

892
00:39:18,769 --> 00:39:15,179
them and you wanted to stay out like

893
00:39:24,019 --> 00:39:18,779
smallpox things like that that we don't

894
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:24,029
have anymore but we did have them this

895
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:27,569
is early 50s and I'm about five or six

896
00:39:35,029 --> 00:39:31,380
and I can remember sitting at the dining

897
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:35,039
table and there's a doctor talking to my

898
00:39:42,979 --> 00:39:39,209
father who's standing up and the doctors

899
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:42,989
telling my dad my sister's my baby

900
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:46,170
sister's got polio and the look of

901
00:39:51,709 --> 00:39:49,079
horror on his face and I can hear my

902
00:39:56,929 --> 00:39:51,719
mother sobbing in the bedroom because

903
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,939
this is the worst possible news and I

904
00:40:03,319 --> 00:39:59,839
remember going up to Townsville hospital

905
00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:03,329
the three of us to go and visit miss my

906
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,499
baby sister and she's lying in a bed in

907
00:40:13,339 --> 00:40:10,140
a hospital ward and the in it appeared

908
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:13,349
to my child's brain there were dozens of

909
00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:16,529
kids and this was a polio ward this

910
00:40:21,319 --> 00:40:19,109
wasn't all the illnesses and accidents

911
00:40:25,699 --> 00:40:21,329
that were around this was an entire Ward

912
00:40:28,489 --> 00:40:25,709
devoted to children as luck would have

913
00:40:31,219 --> 00:40:28,499
it she was well cared for and she

914
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:31,229
recovered but I can remember going to

915
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,740
school about the same time

916
00:40:39,299 --> 00:40:37,599
and it was after the holidays and we all

917
00:40:41,279 --> 00:40:39,309
get back and we're saying hello to kids

918
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:41,289
that we hadn't seen for a few weeks and

919
00:40:47,069 --> 00:40:44,099
I saying where's Billy where's Tommy and

920
00:40:50,549 --> 00:40:47,079
someone said I'll they've got the polio

921
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,559
and that was all people needed to say

922
00:40:55,529 --> 00:40:52,960
because you knew that you'd probably

923
00:40:58,410 --> 00:40:55,539
never see them again and I never did and

924
00:41:01,769 --> 00:40:58,420
I gather they died there was a girl in

925
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:01,779
my class who had calipers as a result of

926
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:07,480
polio I remember I started that school

927
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:10,750
in first class so she must have had it

928
00:41:17,309 --> 00:41:14,890
when she was much younger and also I

929
00:41:20,009 --> 00:41:17,319
remember a friend of Mines father who'd

930
00:41:22,109 --> 00:41:20,019
had polio he had one really withered

931
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:22,119
League you know it was like half the

932
00:41:27,779 --> 00:41:25,150
size of the the other leg and he had

933
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:27,789
this funny gate there to sort of

934
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:32,079
accommodate for that well when I was 11

935
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:36,730
that was 1951 I just felt very sick one

936
00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:39,970
day at school I went home and my mother

937
00:41:46,019 --> 00:41:42,009
did while awkward mothers would do put a

938
00:41:49,049 --> 00:41:46,029
child to bed I had a very high fever and

939
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:49,059
my back was aching I was really very

940
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:53,049
very sick the doctor was called and I

941
00:41:59,069 --> 00:41:55,470
can remember the doctor checking out

942
00:42:00,599 --> 00:41:59,079
arms and legs bending and also the

943
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:00,609
doctor asked me to sit up which was very

944
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:03,700
painful and to put my chin on my chest

945
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,410
and I couldn't do that and immediately

946
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:10,960
he said to my parents she must go to

947
00:42:16,109 --> 00:42:13,720
hospital it was the water base hospital

948
00:42:19,769 --> 00:42:16,119
it was 25 miles away 40 kilometres away

949
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:19,779
and a spinal tap revealed that I had

950
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:22,960
polio this was absolutely horrifying

951
00:42:29,819 --> 00:42:26,529
because there hadn't been any cases of

952
00:42:31,529 --> 00:42:29,829
polio in my little town at all they'd

953
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:31,539
been one in the country a young fellow

954
00:42:37,799 --> 00:42:35,680
age 34 a farmer and he died and the

955
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:37,809
whole town was reeling and now here was

956
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:41,069
Monica was polio where did I get it from

957
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:45,450
nobody knows well my mother was

958
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:48,359
nurse before marriage and she nursed in

959
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:53,160
isolation hospitals and she saw Geron

960
00:43:04,970 --> 00:42:58,050
dying of tuberculosis polio the

961
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:04,980
diphtheria and other diseases my father

962
00:43:11,810 --> 00:43:08,910
was the eldest of five children when he

963
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:11,820
was twenty nineteen thirty-nine his only

964
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,130
sister the youngest in the family died

965
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:16,619
of diphtheria at the age of two and a

966
00:43:22,819 --> 00:43:20,010
half so I was brought up with stories of

967
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:22,829
kids dying of diphtheria those my mother

968
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:25,079
had seen and under course my father's

969
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:27,690
experience I'm the oldest of six

970
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,570
children when the youngest was born we

971
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:33,480
hadn't been cough I remember my little

972
00:43:40,339 --> 00:43:37,560
baby sister gasping for breath a little

973
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,349
surge black surgical belt around her

974
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:42,960
belly holding in her navel which had

975
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,660
become herniated as a result of the

976
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,480
strain of a coughing she was very

977
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,460
seriously ill and these days almost

978
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:53,160
certainly would be hospitalized but

979
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:55,170
they're my mother having been the next

980
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:56,520
nurse that probably thought that

981
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,339
choosers well looked after at home as

982
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:01,980
otherwise and I remember the whooping

983
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,060
cough the hmm and then the coughing and

984
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,940
then the the vomiting must be very hard

985
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:11,460
for my mother just having given birth to

986
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:14,990
a child now me to look after 66 kids

987
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,720
sick kids as well a personal example

988
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,230
from our family is my cousin Phillip

989
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:24,300
when he was young he July by 3rd he's

990
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:26,040
late came back to his parents and said

991
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:29,130
I've got a sorely they panicked the

992
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:31,319
first thought was polio took him to the

993
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:32,940
doctor no problem at all odd numbers

994
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:35,130
hurt himself and falling over two days

995
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:36,660
later his very best friend Frank who

996
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:38,609
lived two streets away had the same

997
00:44:43,579 --> 00:44:41,490
experience he fell over saw leg his

998
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,589
parents took him to the doctor I leo

999
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,260
Frank died in 2012 it's been his life in

1000
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,599
a wheelchair this was a very very scary

1001
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:50,640
disease and people were very very

1002
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:51,900
worried about it

1003
00:44:58,579 --> 00:44:55,740
with Madhu with good cause i remember

1004
00:45:01,940 --> 00:44:58,589
when i was in nimbin working as a

1005
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,950
medical student helping a doctor and in

1006
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:04,079
came so i was just work experience part

1007
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:07,140
of the medical rotation and in came to

1008
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:09,690
parents and this kid 16 your kid

1009
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,630
obviously from the way he was walking

1010
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:14,700
here at poly i was a very characteristic

1011
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:16,529
walk quite different from a Parkinson's

1012
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:19,470
walk from a stroke walk quite obvious

1013
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:22,230
and we looked at each other and we

1014
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:23,490
didn't say a single thing the doctor and

1015
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:25,079
I and then they went through the story

1016
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:27,240
about how they just come back from India

1017
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:28,440
and then the doctor asked a few

1018
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:31,410
questions and he said and have you been

1019
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:34,170
jack side against polio no and he said

1020
00:45:41,269 --> 00:45:36,869
only did you test and then he said look

1021
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:41,279
is pretty obvious to me that your child

1022
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:43,410
has polio and the parents got a shop

1023
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:46,170
said they didn't want to believe they

1024
00:45:49,579 --> 00:45:47,730
started firstly being rational and

1025
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:49,589
saying things like well there's no such

1026
00:45:53,269 --> 00:45:51,569
diseases polio and then they started

1027
00:45:54,529 --> 00:45:53,279
saying things like well I'm polio

1028
00:45:55,819 --> 00:45:54,539
doesn't exist anymore because we all

1029
00:45:58,279 --> 00:45:55,829
live better there is no infectious

1030
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:58,289
disease such as polio and you can't get

1031
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,900
it and then they started kicking chairs

1032
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:02,910
a little bit and then stormed out they

1033
00:46:07,279 --> 00:46:05,010
did not want to live for the fact that

1034
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:07,289
by not vaccinating their kid against

1035
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:10,619
polio they had been paralyzed a kid in

1036
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:16,020
one leg by taking him to India so with

1037
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,089
water base hospital there really was no

1038
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:21,420
treatment for a person with polio I had

1039
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,380
a high fever and I was just put onto a

1040
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:28,640
flatbed no pillow and told to stay there

1041
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:30,930
and I can I was too sick to go anywhere

1042
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:33,900
anyway so I just stayed there and

1043
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:37,440
eventually I was moved out onto a

1044
00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:41,460
veranda because more people needed to be

1045
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,369
inside people who no longer had a fever

1046
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:47,220
were being moved onto verandahs I mean

1047
00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:50,910
unenclosed verandas with Just Cause and

1048
00:46:57,799 --> 00:46:54,750
blind down but always near me was a

1049
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:57,809
horrible barrel looking thing which they

1050
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,450
said to me was an iron lung and they

1051
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:02,520
said that I might need that because the

1052
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:03,850
polio i had was

1053
00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:07,110
in the throat and in my speech I

1054
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:09,940
couldn't swallow couldn't talk properly

1055
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:13,240
and that's the one that tends to go down

1056
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:17,200
into the lungs very quickly and so I was

1057
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:19,180
really thrilled one day when the the

1058
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:21,430
iron lung wasn't there because I thought

1059
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:24,070
oh good I don't need it anymore but of

1060
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:26,560
course somebody did and I can remember

1061
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:29,770
the 50s where people lived in dread of

1062
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:31,930
these terrible illnesses that just took

1063
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:34,750
so many people walk through an old

1064
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:36,730
cemetery and look at the headstones of

1065
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:38,710
who died and how old and you're looking

1066
00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:42,010
at babies that die and that's that's

1067
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:49,779
at the beginning of the 20th century

1068
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:52,910
infant mortality in Australia was over

1069
00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:56,210
ten percent can you imagine it more than

1070
00:48:02,799 --> 00:47:59,180
one in ten babies died many of those

1071
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:02,809
from vaccine-preventable diseases what

1072
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:04,460
would their parents have given to

1073
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:12,160
reports like these were commonplace in

1074
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:15,500
the newspapers of the time it was sad

1075
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:19,160
but no surprise to anyone over the

1076
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:21,380
course of the 20th century important

1077
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:23,750
health measures were introduced that saw

1078
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:26,540
this mortality rate plummet chief

1079
00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:33,600
I'd like to read to you something I

1080
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:34,780
discovered while I was doing research

1081
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:37,510
for this documentary and this comes from

1082
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,110
the Perth Daily News dated april 1903

1083
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,960
coughing dislocates a neck in certifying

1084
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:48,880
a child's death to the Southard coroner

1085
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:51,190
a medical man reports that the deceased

1086
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:53,110
had been under treatment for whooping

1087
00:48:58,350 --> 00:48:56,170
cough death was due to a broken neck and

1088
00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:58,360
in the absence of any definable cause

1089
00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:00,310
the doctor was forced to the conclusion

1090
00:49:08,090 --> 00:49:03,100
that the child dislocated its neck

1091
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:08,100
during a violent fit of coughing I

1092
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:09,880
remember when I was in the first batch

1093
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:11,560
of kids in Wollongong to get vaccinated

1094
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:13,660
we all got put on buses in primary

1095
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:15,790
school and then got shipped down to the

1096
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:17,290
pioneer hall and then they stabbed all

1097
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:19,930
of us and in my class there was a kid

1098
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:23,410
who had calipers and there were two more

1099
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:25,390
kids in the school who had been hit by

1100
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:28,180
polio Polly I only gets about half a

1101
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:30,220
percent of everybody that infects so it

1102
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:32,320
infects the population only about half a

1103
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:33,970
percent of them actually come down with

1104
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:35,590
the neurological symptoms and these are

1105
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:37,150
the three kids from our school and was

1106
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:40,330
only years later so I realized that all

1107
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:42,700
the parents standing around had

1108
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:45,070
deliberately as an act of the society

1109
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:46,900
giving up the chance to have them

1110
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:48,700
vaccinated and protected against polio

1111
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,390
so that we their children could get

1112
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:55,119
saved what a generous bunch of parents

1113
00:50:01,950 --> 00:49:59,050
he was about a year after my sister came

1114
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:01,960
home there was an announcement that a

1115
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:07,290
vaccine had been invented for polio and

1116
00:50:13,050 --> 00:50:10,690
it was like a huge cloud had been lifted

1117
00:50:16,109 --> 00:50:13,060
from the suburbs because they're being

1118
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:16,119
this cloud of gloom and doom it was the

1119
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:18,100
dread that your child would be the next

1120
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:20,590
to come down with polio and at last it

1121
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:24,190
was hope and it very soon after all of

1122
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:26,230
us kids were taken up to the school and

1123
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:28,810
we were lined up on the verandas around

1124
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:31,770
100 of us and we all got our jabs and

1125
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:35,890
polio just disappeared the gloom had

1126
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:37,900
lifted and it wasn't even a subject for

1127
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:40,150
discussion anymore and you saw the

1128
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:43,750
occasional child or adult with calipers

1129
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:44,470
and so on

1130
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:46,900
but that's all there was palio just

1131
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,390
disappeared as if it was magic but it

1132
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:52,680
wasn't magic it was science at work

1133
00:50:57,870 --> 00:50:55,630
these days the decision to vaccinate is

1134
00:51:00,300 --> 00:50:57,880
not a hard one but some people aren't

1135
00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,310
convinced in a way vaccination has

1136
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:02,500
become a victim of its own success with

1137
00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:05,020
people wondering why why in this day and

1138
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:07,420
age why would they vaccinate because

1139
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:08,980
diseases like whooping cough although

1140
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:11,260
dramatically decreased are still with us

1141
00:51:15,870 --> 00:51:14,080
and are still claiming lives and yet

1142
00:51:17,849 --> 00:51:15,880
there are people especially in developed

1143
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,859
countries with low rates of infection

1144
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:20,800
who are vehemently opposed to

1145
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:23,050
vaccination claiming it's responsible

1146
00:51:30,270 --> 00:51:26,410
for everything from autism to SIDS to

1147
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:30,280
even shaken baby syndrome unbelievably

1148
00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:32,410
some people deny vaccination has

1149
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:36,760
prevented any disease whatsoever there's

1150
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:40,540
almost no data for for significant

1151
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,240
damage caused by vaccines any more than

1152
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:45,599
anyone having an injection of any sort

1153
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,730
most of those reactions to injections

1154
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:52,000
are caused by fainting if your child's

1155
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:54,310
not vaccinated that's fine as long as no

1156
00:51:58,140 --> 00:51:55,690
one else comes to this country and

1157
00:51:59,820 --> 00:51:58,150
brings the disease with them if someone

1158
00:52:02,880 --> 00:51:59,830
comes in from another country or the

1159
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:02,890
virus gets away some other way that it's

1160
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:04,930
possible that the an epidemic can occur

1161
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:07,630
and of course most of these ill many of

1162
00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:09,609
these awesome perhaps not all them but

1163
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:10,780
many of these illnesses are

1164
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:13,990
life-threatening and if you have fifteen

1165
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:17,770
percent of the infant population getting

1166
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:19,960
a disease like measles you're going to

1167
00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:21,790
have deaths and there will be a number

1168
00:52:26,339 --> 00:52:24,940
of deaths measles can be a is a

1169
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:26,349
life-threatening illness and of course

1170
00:52:32,099 --> 00:52:29,730
polio much more so tetanus diphtheria

1171
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:32,109
whooping cough whooping coughs you know

1172
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:34,210
it's quite a high mortality and because

1173
00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:35,980
Polly has a very high mortality in a

1174
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,099
very long morbidity and so if you if we

1175
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,440
have 50 70 and fifty percent of our

1176
00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:44,880
population susceptible to these offices

1177
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:47,320
then of course you know all sorts of

1178
00:52:52,349 --> 00:52:49,150
disasters going to occur for for the

1179
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:52,359
children and so you by not vaccinating

1180
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,970
your child you only put your own child

1181
00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:56,770
at risk but you put at risk

1182
00:53:00,930 --> 00:52:58,750
who have also gone to the trouble of

1183
00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:00,940
being vaccinated because some of them

1184
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:03,160
because of the immune system or whatever

1185
00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:05,050
will actually be susceptible to the

1186
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:08,500
disease one of the persistent myths

1187
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:10,180
about vaccines and the dangers of

1188
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:12,460
vaccines is that vaccination causes

1189
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:14,730
autism or certain vaccines cause autism

1190
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:17,110
there have been dozens of studies done

1191
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:20,710
that have shown no connection what the

1192
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,460
connection is or is simply coincidence

1193
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:26,800
autism is detected at about the age when

1194
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:28,290
some of the earlier vaccines are given

1195
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:30,010
it's not something you can usually

1196
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,690
detect early but something in some cases

1197
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:34,480
you can there's just been a recent study

1198
00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:37,870
done where I'm an analysis of as many

1199
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:39,430
studies do you get followed by a new

1200
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:41,890
academic Sydney University and what he

1201
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:43,510
found was that when you put them all

1202
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:45,010
together and collect all the information

1203
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:47,770
you just became stronger it is no

1204
00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:48,970
connection between vaccinations and

1205
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:51,820
autism so it can be can be detected

1206
00:53:56,250 --> 00:53:54,040
early at the normal type of detection

1207
00:53:57,570 --> 00:53:56,260
and just to do normally do with the

1208
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:57,580
developmental stages of children that

1209
00:54:01,920 --> 00:53:59,410
they don't show the signs of autism

1210
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:01,930
until they're about sometimes like two

1211
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:03,550
or three years old and that's when as

1212
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:06,490
they get low back scenes it's a myth and

1213
00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:08,020
some myth which should be stomped on and

1214
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:10,630
should stop your being repeated but

1215
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:12,210
there's people out there who are

1216
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:15,370
bitterly opposed to vaccination and they

1217
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:17,260
have all sorts of reasons they object to

1218
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:19,950
the science they object to the

1219
00:54:24,810 --> 00:54:22,900
socialization of it but the thing is

1220
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:24,820
they don't know what it's like I'm one

1221
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:26,770
of the last of the generation that saw

1222
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:29,290
these things right up close I saw it in

1223
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:31,690
my father's face I saw it in my mother's

1224
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:35,080
I still I saw it in my school friends

1225
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:37,300
who wore calibers or just I never saw a

1226
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:41,590
game it just doesn't happen today why

1227
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:44,110
are these people so bitterly opposed to

1228
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:46,390
vaccination I don't know what they're

1229
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:50,080
talking about it's they have all these

1230
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:54,000
reasons that just don't make sense

1231
00:54:59,490 --> 00:54:57,220
they're just rubbish get your child

1232
00:55:02,880 --> 00:54:59,500
vaccinated see a real doctor not a cream

1233
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:02,890
see a real doctor get their immunization

1234
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:05,560
program get them up to date keep them up

1235
00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:07,750
to date and you won't see what I saw

1236
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:13,830
the first thing to realize about

1237
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:16,600
vaccinations is that they were invented

1238
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:18,730
by human beings they're not perfect

1239
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:21,510
nothing made by humans is perfect but

1240
00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:23,830
overwhelmingly the odds are in your

1241
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,320
favor if you get vaccinated I've got my

1242
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:28,240
kids vaccinated I tell everybody get

1243
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:29,500
their bitten kids back so they're not

1244
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:32,080
perfect you'll have a fever maybe maybe

1245
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:35,020
some to the other thing overwhelmingly

1246
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:37,180
the odds are in your favor simply

1247
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,310
because nothing made by humans is

1248
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:41,680
perfect the odds are in your favor get

1249
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:46,990
vaccinated it's so important I'm just

1250
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:50,110
just a little needle and then their

1251
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,290
children they've taken away all the

1252
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:56,160
worry against them getting these things

1253
00:56:02,730 --> 00:55:59,050
you think they might die I remembered to

1254
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:02,740
it to my children having whooping cough

1255
00:56:10,530 --> 00:56:06,790
together and that was a very worrying

1256
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:10,540
time if our grandmothers knew that there

1257
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:12,550
was a treatment or prevention for the

1258
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:15,010
diseases that their children died from

1259
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:17,710
and we weren't accessing those they

1260
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,060
would kick us from here into next week

1261
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:23,440
the diseases we've been talking about

1262
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:25,870
can affect children for the rest of

1263
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:28,090
their lives even when all the symptoms

1264
00:56:32,790 --> 00:56:30,910
are gone part of the disease can linger

1265
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:32,800
in the body for decades only to return

1266
00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:36,160
later in life a very nasty visitor from

1267
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:40,420
the past now poliomyelitis polio

1268
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:43,560
infantile paralysis it's been called to

1269
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:47,440
involves the muscles it involves the

1270
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:49,690
paralysis of the muscles and often these

1271
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:51,580
are the muscles of the lungs the

1272
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:53,770
breathing apparatus in a person that's

1273
00:56:58,410 --> 00:56:56,200
affected so in order for a person to

1274
00:57:02,250 --> 00:56:58,420
stay alive it was necessary to put polio

1275
00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:02,260
victims into an iron lung and this force

1276
00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:06,220
the air into and out of a person and for

1277
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:08,380
many many people lying on their back

1278
00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:10,450
flat on their back looking at the world

1279
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,080
through a mirror eating in there was

1280
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:16,960
their life many people who went into

1281
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:18,970
iron lungs never ever came out of iron

1282
00:57:22,059 --> 00:57:19,670
lungs

1283
00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:22,069
but many people did spend their entire

1284
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,470
life in there and they might have been

1285
00:57:27,609 --> 00:57:26,000
allowed out just a little while with

1286
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:27,619
assisted breathing to have a shower how

1287
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:30,530
to bar the sponge bath go to the toilet

1288
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:34,190
perhaps but most spent their lives after

1289
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:36,650
they were in an iron lung and stayed

1290
00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:38,780
there I understand that very few came

1291
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:40,819
out of them in some hospitals there were

1292
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:43,670
rooms full of iron lungs helping people

1293
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:47,599
to breathe without awful sound of

1294
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:50,990
compression and like a pump going to

1295
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,710
pump air into people and out of people I

1296
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:56,480
think they've been refined in recent

1297
00:57:59,559 --> 00:57:57,890
times I don't know what there is because

1298
00:58:02,500 --> 00:57:59,569
there's just not the incidence of polio

1299
00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:02,510
around but it was certainly an horrific

1300
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:05,329
thing to see an iron lung waiting for

1301
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:07,460
you at the end of your bed and this is

1302
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:09,980
what you may need and I was very

1303
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:11,480
determined to get well so I didn't need

1304
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,760
a nine-month one of our latest vaccines

1305
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:19,040
for newest vaccines has been the herpes

1306
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:21,410
zoster virus vaccine which is the

1307
00:58:28,450 --> 00:58:23,660
purpose hasta is the virus that causes

1308
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:28,460
chickenpox and can recur later and come

1309
00:58:35,770 --> 00:58:32,150
out as as shingles which is a rather

1310
00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:35,780
nasty inflammation of the skin so

1311
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:38,180
children or people who are infected with

1312
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:42,530
chickenpox the tuna pox virus after the

1313
00:58:48,339 --> 00:58:44,210
illnesses over the chicken pox virus

1314
00:58:51,819 --> 00:58:48,349
doesn't completely leave us it it hides

1315
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:51,829
in the in the roots of our nerves what's

1316
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:54,140
called the ganglia of the nerve so you

1317
00:58:58,930 --> 00:58:56,180
have a nerve which goes to your

1318
00:59:02,079 --> 00:58:58,940
fingertips a or to your chest and that

1319
00:59:05,289 --> 00:59:02,089
nerve arises in your spinal cord and

1320
00:59:09,309 --> 00:59:05,299
back near spinal cord there's the the

1321
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:09,319
nerve ganglia and so the the virus will

1322
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,690
retreat there until for some reason your

1323
00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:13,280
immunity drops enough or something

1324
00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:16,220
happens to either some stressful and the

1325
00:59:20,289 --> 00:59:18,200
virus will then migrate along the nerve

1326
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,299
to where the nerve ends on your skin and

1327
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:22,400
burst through an attack your skin

1328
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:25,880
causing blistering and pain and a nasty

1329
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:28,730
rash and so you'll get a patch of a

1330
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:31,920
patch of blistered

1331
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:34,650
good skin now this can be very

1332
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:37,049
unpleasant anywhere but it can sometimes

1333
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:39,210
occur on the face if it occurs on the

1334
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:40,680
face you can get scarring and

1335
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:42,510
disfigurement and it can even sometimes

1336
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:45,000
affect the eye and you can get herpes

1337
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:47,369
zoster in the eye and you can cause loss

1338
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:50,940
of vision look at me quite a a nasty

1339
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,940
late consequence of of infant infection

1340
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:55,680
with say herpes zoster virus or

1341
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:57,720
chickenpox many people think God

1342
01:00:03,289 --> 00:59:59,940
chickenpox is a benign illness all my

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family had it in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s

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01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:05,670
and you know none of them had anything

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01:00:11,539 --> 01:00:09,150
any problem well mostly that's the case

1346
01:00:14,650 --> 01:00:11,549
but two things one is that there is

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01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:14,660
still the odd case of herpes zoster

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01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,000
pneumonia and children have died from

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01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:20,460
herpes zoster lung infection when

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01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:22,230
everyone thought they just had a you

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:24,329
know the ordinary old chicken pox but

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01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:26,730
then much later on when those same

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01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:29,849
infected people reach their 60s 70s and

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01:00:35,289 --> 01:00:32,460
80s they can burst out with the nasty

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01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,299
dose of shingles and it's hoped that the

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herpes zoster virus by preventing

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chickenpox preventing the the actual

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01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:43,440
seeding of these viruses into our nerves

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:47,700
that we might be susceptible to those

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01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,970
bouts of shingles in later life when my

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01:00:55,099 --> 01:00:52,799
son was five weeks old he contracted

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01:00:57,609 --> 01:00:55,109
viral meningitis and I spent five

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:00:57,619
sleepless nights in the hospital

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:01,530
listening to him cry and he was bright

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01:01:08,539 --> 01:01:04,010
red and you could just tell he was so

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:08,549
afraid and it was it was a really

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:10,410
stressful time for me he had a spinal

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01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:12,210
tap you don't you don't want to have

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01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:15,299
that happen to a tiny little baby and to

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:16,980
think that there are babies out there

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01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:20,130
that it might contract a vaccine

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01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,510
preventable disease just it terrifies me

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01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,640
and that's why I vaccinate because I

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01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:28,440
want to protect my kids and I want to

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01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:30,839
protect other people's kids if there was

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01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:32,910
a vaccine for the viral meningitis I

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01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:36,180
would have given that to my both of my

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01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:37,850
kids no question two

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01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:40,910
didn't it was just an awful thing to

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:42,500
experience and I really don't want to

1381
01:01:47,950 --> 01:01:44,090
wish that on any other parent or any

1382
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:47,960
other child to go through that you have

1383
01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:49,700
an important decision to make whether to

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01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:52,040
vaccinate or not and that makes you very

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01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:54,380
lucky for the luxury of having this

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01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,780
decision was not available to most of

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:01:58,640
your ancestors and is still not

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:00,770
available to parents in many developing

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01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:03,050
parts of the world I hope you remember

1390
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:04,670
the stories from the people in this

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:07,160
video I hope you'll never know the fear

1392
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:08,570
and the sorrow that was part of their

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01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:10,910
lives and i hope you'll never have to

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01:02:41,130 --> 01:03:21,050
you

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:26,060
Richard 300 episodes almost over and I

1396
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:28,490
noticed the candy corn is almost gone

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01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:30,990
then that's the last time I accept a

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01:03:35,330 --> 01:03:33,390
gift from you even without locking it up

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:35,340
after you've given I do you have eaten

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01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:37,290
most of them after giving it and they're

1401
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:38,640
very tasty I don't know why they don't

1402
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:39,930
have them here in all the shops they're

1403
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:42,510
really good yeah um uh maybe we should

1404
01:03:46,340 --> 01:03:44,580
start in port importing yeah I think to

1405
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:46,350
open up another arm of the skipped exam

1406
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:47,670
yeah now i'm gonna i'm going to

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01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,080
affectionately import actually talk

1408
01:03:52,820 --> 01:03:50,640
about confectioner i'm gonna use this my

1409
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:52,830
own podcast for blatant plug so i'm

1410
01:03:57,740 --> 01:03:56,250
alone so why not it for it those of you

1411
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,750
in the states have a look around the

1412
01:04:03,290 --> 01:03:59,520
shops you might notice a new chocolate

1413
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:03,300
arrived called Yowies yeah uh-huh and

1414
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:05,700
these are the chocolates you open up and

1415
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,180
inside is a nice little plastic animal

1416
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:11,520
and australian it Oh stray lien animals

1417
01:04:15,380 --> 01:04:13,590
worldwide animals uh-huh yeah and the

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01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:15,390
chocolates great and the only reason I

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01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:17,040
mentioned it is because my brother is

1420
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:20,070
the zoology logical advice sultan

1421
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,170
consultant so he's still going for it

1422
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,480
with the Yowie they used to be sold here

1423
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:26,160
Australian Air successful and now

1424
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,750
they're being launched in the States oh

1425
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:30,240
yeah I was working with Jeff many like

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01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:34,350
way back on the the first website back

1427
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:36,750
really 1998 or something crazy I

1428
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:39,090
remember that yeah good heavenly what a

1429
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:40,620
small world what is but anyway they're

1430
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:42,450
back check him out yeah he's a bad a

1431
01:04:47,630 --> 01:04:45,170
huge they're good yeah and the education

1432
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:47,640
whereas years ago here in Australia when

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01:04:50,570 --> 01:04:49,110
you open up the little chocolate and

1434
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:50,580
inside there was a little figure you

1435
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,890
snapped together yeah the arms and legs

1436
01:04:57,350 --> 01:04:55,200
that yeah these ones are the complete

1437
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:57,360
all right model but they absolutely

1438
01:05:04,220 --> 01:05:01,740
lifelike ah amazingly 3d printer does

1439
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,230
well maybe but you know when you put it

1440
01:05:08,330 --> 01:05:06,780
down they look like if you sort of shut

1441
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:08,340
your house and your eyes they like a

1442
01:05:11,570 --> 01:05:09,930
little animal sitting on the table are

1443
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:11,580
all the proportions are created the

1444
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:13,260
colors are correct in

1445
01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:15,570
yeah it's astonishing that's amazing

1446
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:17,550
anyway as educational to add their

1447
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:18,930
education a try to introduce all the

1448
01:05:21,860 --> 01:05:20,700
different features and things to the

1449
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:21,870
kids yeah so there you go a little

1450
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:23,940
little plug if you want to write to me

1451
01:05:28,790 --> 01:05:26,250
and accuse me of what is it the conflict

1452
01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:28,800
of interest and favoritism and you can

1453
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:30,270
write to somebody else I don't get I'll

1454
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:32,700
just just like a little vaccination goes

1455
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:34,740
down with the sugar yeah so does a

1456
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,090
little bit of science go down with an

1457
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:38,160
egg full of chocolate does now before we

1458
01:05:43,310 --> 01:05:41,070
go yes I needed to clear up some bit of

1459
01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:43,320
confusion out there it's a minor little

1460
01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:45,560
bit of confusion the skeptic zone is a

1461
01:05:53,060 --> 01:05:49,470
private venture by me with your help and

1462
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:53,070
other people in waters and is not ah is

1463
01:05:56,810 --> 01:05:55,110
na VI affiliated with the Australian

1464
01:05:58,580 --> 01:05:56,820
skeptics a lot of people get to design a

1465
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:58,590
pendant productions independent so the

1466
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,740
views and I'm going to do a new tail is

1467
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:03,900
lame a disclaimer soon basically the

1468
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:05,550
views and opinions expressed on the

1469
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:07,290
skeptics ona not necessarily those of

1470
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:09,900
Australian skeptics and vice versa I'm

1471
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:12,090
glad you cleared it up it's good a few Z

1472
01:06:15,740 --> 01:06:13,770
because I'm in the skeptics Iran's in

1473
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:15,750
despair dr. ray cheese and the skeptics

1474
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:17,310
look a lot of people got a bit confused

1475
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:19,050
about that but no it's two different

1476
01:06:21,830 --> 01:06:20,490
tune of azines yeah well that's good

1477
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:21,840
because I was armed with a whole stack

1478
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:24,030
full of lawsuit against the rest of the

1479
01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:26,970
team and I thought I'd be able to get

1480
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:29,100
tap into the skeptics a bank account oh

1481
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:31,290
she's like what happens I'm not gonna

1482
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:33,090
have it's all independent and I ain't no

1483
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,270
any money so before we go I guess our

1484
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:38,760
biggest things must stay and go to a

1485
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:40,290
listen listeners who have been with us

1486
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:42,810
now well many of you of course many of

1487
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:44,730
you have only recently learned about it

1488
01:06:47,570 --> 01:06:46,110
or over the years but there are

1489
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:47,580
listeners out there who've been with the

1490
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:50,430
show for the 300 episodes grass together

1491
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,250
we have since 2008 yeah yeah I actually

1492
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:54,720
I've grown up a lot since I was four

1493
01:07:02,620 --> 01:06:59,490
teeth boy you go what about it I'm grown

1494
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,630
up quite a lot since I was forty-five he

1495
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:05,280
was only 22 in the show started myself

1496
01:07:10,310 --> 01:07:08,520
but I can feel ya the listeners because

1497
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:10,320
they're they're the ones who listen

1498
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:11,460
they're the ones who download the show

1499
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,260
keep the figures up who helped

1500
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:14,400
contribute some of them with

1501
01:07:18,050 --> 01:07:16,290
micropayments which is really appreciate

1502
01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:18,060
that I appreciate it very much I'll

1503
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:21,150
spread the word and you're the people

1504
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:24,180
who put your headphones on or you're in

1505
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:25,390
your car and

1506
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:27,610
and always yearning and consistently and

1507
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:29,800
what's great is I think that we probably

1508
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:32,350
spawned a few other skeptic shows around

1509
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:34,390
the place to just showing that it can be

1510
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:36,520
done yeah we're part of that sort of

1511
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:39,250
overall skeptical movement of this

1512
01:07:43,290 --> 01:07:41,530
information dissemination yeah yeah the

1513
01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:43,300
entertainment as well which case it's

1514
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,590
part of the cultural sites about

1515
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:46,480
absolutely i like to think the show's

1516
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:48,010
entertaining as well yeah but it but

1517
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:49,960
it's actually if you look through the

1518
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:51,910
history since the show started it's been

1519
01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:54,400
quite a few breakthroughs at landmark

1520
01:07:58,170 --> 01:07:56,500
decisions and you know the ER begins the

1521
01:07:59,880 --> 01:07:58,180
activex yes man and a lot of that

1522
01:08:01,800 --> 01:07:59,890
product oh yeah yeah it means like

1523
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,810
legislated against yeah something so

1524
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:04,000
that it's actually making a difference I

1525
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:05,710
think so I I hope so and just as we

1526
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:07,510
speak and another message from Britt

1527
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:09,910
skeptic am Lauren Cochrane the president

1528
01:08:15,330 --> 01:08:12,640
of camera skeptics is up to speak next

1529
01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:15,340
in Brisbane good for you are excellent

1530
01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:18,430
and then reporter Joe alabaster sending

1531
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:22,060
sending hugs so isn't that the Time Lord

1532
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:24,130
rides again we're here we're doing the

1533
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:26,770
altro of the show announcing what's in

1534
01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:28,180
the show that hasn't been put together

1535
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:30,460
yet this is phenomenal you don't know

1536
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,410
folks you have no idea what goes on

1537
01:08:36,090 --> 01:08:34,000
behind the scenes let's get exam you

1538
01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:36,100
have no idea well we've been we better

1539
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:37,720
move on and look forward to the episode

1540
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:40,930
301 300 about six years time that's

1541
01:08:48,379 --> 01:08:43,480
right that's next week next week okay

1542
01:08:55,459 --> 01:08:50,419
you've been listening to the skeptic

1543
01:08:58,489 --> 01:08:55,469
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01:09:01,410 --> 01:08:58,499
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1546
01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:12,689
Oh

1547
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:28,270
so as I said then that moo moo that's

1548
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:31,370
recording yeah that's oh that's so what

1549
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:32,810
you'll hear on the show is that straight

1550
01:09:38,230 --> 01:09:35,060
off welcome to the episode three hundred

1551
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:38,240
this massive crowd go nuts for like 30

1552
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:39,770
seconds or something then fades music

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:42,050
Kingdom let's go here you go so we're

1554
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:50,210
just done and Stefan so get are we doing

1555
01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:51,770
my Frank's years ago we were sitting

1556
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,380
here six years ago trying to think of

1557
01:09:57,970 --> 01:09:56,480
how to introduce kept exactly start the

1558
01:10:00,640 --> 01:09:57,980
skeptics are you saw the skeptics out

1559
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:00,650
but we've done it now for 300 is this